tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-176381447976247719.post8222640033863570037..comments2023-09-29T00:30:51.975-07:00Comments on A Long Walk to Green: Sustainability and FoodThe Stoutshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16594580348073717356noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-176381447976247719.post-80275687301954646702009-06-26T09:13:51.328-07:002009-06-26T09:13:51.328-07:00thanks for the thoughtful comments. I am starting...thanks for the thoughtful comments. I am starting to think more about how we initiate change. I think there must be a financial incentive of some sort. Then you get back to the chicken and the egg thing. People say they can't take alternative transit b/c it's too slow, inconvenient etc... Then cities say they can't invest in alternatives b/c no one will use them. What if people took control of the markets by creating a new one? If even a quarter of the population decided to use alternative transit 1 day per week, think of the massive influx in ridership (bike and bus) that would create. Then there's a market for it and public transit and bike routes get easier and easier for everyone else. It's just an idea. But seriously, what are we all waiting for? A governement bailout? I guess we could use a charismatic leader to inspire and collaberate our efforts.The Stoutshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16594580348073717356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-176381447976247719.post-74658687099984097822009-06-25T09:22:42.883-07:002009-06-25T09:22:42.883-07:00Amen to you! And Ant and Jen and 2w and Brooke. I...Amen to you! And Ant and Jen and 2w and Brooke. I think there is a definite uprise in at least the conversations; that people are able to claim fresh food for themselves and not leave it up to shady oil-wasting big biz. From food justice efforts to take-action guerilla farmers. People become inspired by these conversations and efforts, especially the more familiar they become, because then common, city folk (like myself) realize that growing food is not as magical and mystical as once believed. I don't need acres of land and a PhD in agriculture it seems! <br /><br />There are some great and exciting things going on right now if only a small scale, but still! In LA, we have an "Edible Wall Project" going on in skid row: http://www.urbanfarming.org/foodchain.htm where architects designed vertical vegetable gardens that are hung on concrete walls in poor city neighborhoods. This was kind of in response to a full blown uproar we had a couple years back when land developers took back 14acres of community gardens called the South Central Farms that fed over 300 low-income families in that area. The land developers sold the land so a Forever 21 warehouse could be built. But it's hard to take away the concrete walls in downtown LA, so eat that Forever 21.<br /><br />Anyway, I'm so down for this even though I'm very green (pardon the pun) to things of the soil. But I recognize how crucial this topic is on every single level or our well being. Thanks for being part of the enlightening and inspiring conversations!<br /><br />(oh, I found your blog through the cool flickr photo of your surley.)Diz Riverahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04618954577639763316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-176381447976247719.post-82262405326909834442009-06-15T13:33:43.743-07:002009-06-15T13:33:43.743-07:00Ant, I think part of that is also the long work we...Ant, I think part of that is also the long work week. Many people are working 40+ hours a week, some people are working two jobs, plus people have long commutes. Basically our society from every aspect is not sustainable. We do lots of finger pointing at the individual but we should start looking at society as a whole and how it creates these issues. For example maybe if we shortened the work week to 35 hours a week like most countries in Europe maybe people would have more time to create gardens or make home cooked meals. Or if we invested more money in the public transportation system and bike lanes, maybe our society would be less dependent on cars. We as individuals can do alot, but many of us are also prevented from doing things because of the very structure of our society.Brookehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11043525246890708047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-176381447976247719.post-88511994038726941232009-06-14T05:58:15.670-07:002009-06-14T05:58:15.670-07:00I agree with Jen's assessment, our gardens are...I agree with Jen's assessment, our gardens are inexpensive in terms of cash outlay. The two biggest expenses this past year were more non GM seeds (we also save seeds from year to year) and a Compos Tumbler. The main reason for that was to take the physical labor out of the compost piles we used to use. My MIL is the main gardener in the family and no longer has the physical strength to fork over the piles.<br /><br />I believe we will be seeing more gardens in backyards in the future, at least I hope we do.<br /><br />Aaron2whls3spdshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16954543886269776858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-176381447976247719.post-81596804978540721582009-06-12T19:02:29.796-07:002009-06-12T19:02:29.796-07:00Thanks for the thoughtful comments. I couldn'...Thanks for the thoughtful comments. I couldn't agree more, the economy of a sustainable lifestyle is actually quite good. I think it is so different that it is hard to imagine that it really could be so. <br /><br />Jen, I must take notes from you! My garden is not so cheap this year, even though I started it all from seed. Where did I go wrong? Could be because I am starting fresh in a place that needed a lot of soil amendments to work. Next year, I'm hoping costs will be pretty low.The Stoutshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16594580348073717356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-176381447976247719.post-37347349131144070342009-06-11T10:35:51.075-07:002009-06-11T10:35:51.075-07:00Could not have said it better myself. I think as f...Could not have said it better myself. I think as far as cost and time spent, we are still ahead by growing our own food. Last year, we spent $17 on our garden and got hundreds of dollars of food. It required one trip in the car to buy plants and manure vs. weekly supermarket trips (that I hate). It costs nothing to go to the backyard to get food. Also the time spent in the garden is quality time and stress relieving.Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269385574221905420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-176381447976247719.post-7036253321942917182009-06-11T10:31:16.532-07:002009-06-11T10:31:16.532-07:00Well said, I couldn't agree more. Most people ...Well said, I couldn't agree more. Most people I've talked to seem to have at least two issues that prevent them from changing. Getting out of the rampant consumerism mindset that is advertised, marketed and generally accepted as the "norm" and overcoming fear. Fear of how much effort it *could* require to do things for themselves, fear of what other people will think, fear of what they don't yet know about it. I'm continually amazed at the effort people will put in to avoid something they perceive as work.They'll argue that 10m in the garden a day is too much but will drive across town to their favorite fast food place to get lunch. Later they may drive 15m each way to the gym to get on a stationary bike for 30m to 'work off' that same lunch. The 10m in the garden, a fresh healthy lunch directly out of it and a 15m ride on a real bike would probably serve the same purpose but for some reason is seen of as a far inferior solution. <br /><br />I think that a lot of people, if they did it for long enough to really acclimate to the change, would probably come to appreciate the reward involved with growing their own food, providing the power for their transportation, etc. Most would probably also experience the stress reduction involved with a more active, present and yet less "driven" lifestyle.The problem is helping them to see that that is what the change really yields when all they see is the short term disruption to their current lifestyle. <br /><br />Alas, that message is not nearly as glittery as the commercials for the new gadget/car/etc. How do you convince people that, perhaps, the void they're trying to fill by buying that new toy could be better resolved by reconnecting with their present/food/self/family/community/planet when 99% of the input they receive every day is geared toward the contrary.... <br /><br />AntAnthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17290432125796865143noreply@blogger.com